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Rachel Lucas's avatar

THIS is the honesty and transparency I have been looking for!

And it fits with my own sense about it.

All of it!

Thank you!

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J. Gan.'s avatar

great points, but at this late date, is it more important to look to Ivermectin to kill some of the (turbo) cancers the death jabs have caused in people? There are likely more studies on how ivermectin has cleared or slowed cancerous tumors than there are anecdotal reports of the patriotic renegade doctors who chose to treat patients who had "COVID" infections with Ivermectin and a few other drugs to achieve recovery. Perhaps you might contact Joe Rogan and address a larger audience as you have some important things to tell a much wider audience Dr Kevin. Your story alone deserves a wider audience for certain.

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CommonNonSense's avatar

I would go so far to say that the principle study knew this wasn't rigorous and included it to further discredit ivm

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Kevin Bass PhD MS's avatar

Maybe. But what I also know is that the post I responded to ignored the higher quality objective endpoint data in favor of the self-reported data (without blinding). So that’s not good. If PRINCIPLE was flawed in other ways that might have made IVM look worse than it “should” have in the objective endpoint data, I am open to that if there are good points to be made. But the points need to be serious and substantial, not just vibes, which we get a lot of on this topic. (I don’t mean you.)

Which gets me back to my original point. High scientific standards are important for every kind of intervention and we should keep ourselves consistent. Otherwise this dark road can get darker.

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CommonNonSense's avatar

I would say that they did it on purpose since it wasn't a rigorous study. But like you say in the pandemic not everything was rigorous. I took ivm early 🐴. Case study if myself I took care of two people with COVID and didn't get it. That doesn't prove anything except to me and granted I was cleaning my nose and throat daily with dilute povidone iodine. I found Dr. Mariks East Virginia er med protocol very early before he was fired as chief er doc and went to make front line with Kory. Common sense effective approach. I'll like your post though bc you're right scientifically as far as rigorous study. The principle study I believe was also flawed no?

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Ed Balbona MD's avatar

https://open.substack.com/pub/edbalbona/p/notes-on-covid-19-treatment?r=qtv4s&utm_medium=ios

I have a great deal of clinical experience using Ivermectin in severe Covid cases.

There’s no doubt my mind that it works well, especially when given early and in combination with other measures.

I’ve been amazed that despite my real world experiences how readily physicians who have never treated a Covid Patient insist they know what’s best ..

There were no randomized control studies for penicillin position still figured out that it worked just fine and bacterial infection

The same as the case where make them

My damn eyes are the problem…

Ed Balbona MD

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Kevin Bass PhD MS's avatar

Covid has a mortality rate near 0%, making it challenging to rule out chance when most people recover.

Penicillin treated diseases with a mortality rate in the double digits, with a massive effect size.

Genuine question: what do you think the role of controlled trials should be in medicine?

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Jay's avatar

Although its CI’s are very wide, patients who are unvaccinated show highest benefit. Interesting.

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Dawn B's avatar

I'm thinking micro parasites are causing a lot of diseases that are being treated with harmful meds for the symptoms rather than parasitic invasion.

Can low immune systems cause parasitic outbreaks and we are just beating them back?

Take gut health for instance, good and bad parasites or bacteria can affect the whole body especially the brain. I got severe ulcerative colitis and was crapping blood for 2 months. Once I got my gut balanced by eating and drinking a lot of probiotic foods, I was completely healed. However, my GI prescribed expensive Biologics that would block my body from healing itself and said I would always have to take it or it would come right back...also said changing diet would not help. She was wrong. Luckily I couldn't afford the meds so I slowly healed my own gut by probiotic food. I was scared because I had lost 25 pounds and couldn't leave the house because I had to use the bathroom every time I ate or drank. It was caused by eating strawberries covered in glyphosate and my gut got burned. My husband too but his gut recovered in a couple days. GI said that wouldn't cause it but there is no other explanation for the sudden onset and both my husband and I were affected at the same time.

Just my experience.

We need doctors but they have to be open to what theor patients are saying and not strictly by the book they were trained in to just use meds to fix issues.

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m h jones's avatar

All I know is I got incredibly sick in early 2021, and got a telehealth Dr to prescribe it and it worked for me. Been taking it as needed ever since along with daily elderberry syrup, Vit C and D, zinc, quercetin , etc… and have not been sick since. 66 and healthy.

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Neural Foundry's avatar

Brilliant dissection of the epistemic double standards that plagued pandemic scence. Your distinction between subjective patient-reported outcomes and objective clinical endpoints crystalizes why metodological rigor isn't optional pedantry but the only defense against motivated reasoning. What's particualrly incisive is how you tie this to institutional incentives rather than individual malice, the system rewards covering asses over consistent application of evidentiary standards.The appendix burial makes perfect sense under your framework, scientists doing their job correctly while the broader policy aparatus weaponizes flawed methodology selectively.

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Ed Balbona MD's avatar

Randomized controlled studies have their place

but may not be necessary to grin insights into disease

For example vaccine are not held to that standard

And

Yeap

That’s true

there lot of mild Covid around

Especially now

Those absolutely were not the patients coming in either heart rates on the 150s, high fevers

There’s no selection error … these patients were trying to die

No statistics would change that

Here’s one

https://open.substack.com/pub/edbalbona/p/what-if-ivermectin?r=qtv4s&utm_medium=ios

See image on Substack

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Ed Balbona MD's avatar

Yeap

That’s true

there lot of mild Covid around

Especially now

Those absolutely were not the patients coming in either heart rates on the 150s, high fevers

There’s no selection error … these patients were trying to die

No statistics would change that

Here’s one

https://open.substack.com/pub/edbalbona/p/what-if-ivermectin?r=qtv4s&utm_medium=ios

See image on Substack

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