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Joomi Kim's avatar

Some people with long covid were found to have pieces of spike protein lingering in a subset of their monocytes though: https://europepmc.org/article/ppr/ppr518213

Their cytokine profiles were also out of whack. So I do think it's a real illness, though the rate may be exaggerated... Unclear whether the rate at which this kind of thing occurs is higher or lower than other types of infections though.

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Patrick Bergel's avatar

Hi Kevin,

You seem to be suggesting that LC patients can up- or down-regulate a cluster of 13 biomarkers [1] with the power of their minds. They can alter their own immunological profiles, increase their risk factors for a range of pulmonary and cardiac conditions [2]: and this new brain-body ability in your view is passed on as 'social contagion.'

Your psychiatric explanation only makes sense if you ignore physical data. Let's not!

Incidentally, some of the same post-infection, permanently dysregulated immunological profiles found in LC patients can be found in animal experiments on mice, hamsters and non-human primates.

I again speculate that the hamsters are not talking the other hamsters into it.

Doubtless, there is a psychiatric explanation for some of the symptoms of some of the people some of the time. Plainly, LC is a post-viral syndrome with outcomes in common with other (equally complex and muddy) post-viral syndromes. But your willingness to go for a bait/inflammatory title 'Long COVID does not exist' is unfortunate.

Stay well.

[1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9895110/

[2] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41579-022-00846-2

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